Aug 06

Conversation Stopper #1: Call them a “Hater”

When holding a discussion with someone of another faith (or even an atheist or another Christian) you may come across a sensitive issue that is hard to discuss without evoking an emotional response. This might be illustrated by Ergun Caner’s recent lecture in San Diego, CA where he identified the individuals who were pointing out his past and present lies as “haters.” As a California resident I got an earful from the pro-gay/pro-lesbian folks, telling me that I hate them for voting against (and blogging against) same-sex Marriage.

This technique is sometimes used when you are explaining the gospel to an unbeliever and they mistakenly conclude that you hate X (whether it is Mormons, Muslims, JW’s, Buddhists, etc) because you believe that their theology is wrong and you had the audacity to try to help them believe what is right. Rather than hear you out and weigh the merits of your case they try to put the brakes on the conversation (and excuse themselves from critical thought) by saying you are motivated by hate.

The ironic thing about this stopper is that you can’t disprove it to their satisfaction. Since they are attributing the worst motives to you for other reasons than actual observation of factors which normally indicate emotions (facial expression, volume, tone of voice, vocabulary, personality, etc) they will twist your words to keep accusing you. Take the following conversation as a model:

Christian: I believe that California should not endorse same-sex marriages for these reasons (X, Y, and Z)

Atheist: Are you serious?

Christian: Yes.

Atheist: You just a homophobe! You probably voted “yes” on Prop hate.

Christian: Prop hate?

Atheist: Yeah, aren’t you supposed to be loving as a Christian? Why do you hate gays and lesbians? Why would you deny them the right to marry?

Christian: I don’t hate them. I just gave you my reasons (X, Y, and Z) for opposing same-sex marriages. None of them involve me hating anybody! I love them and want the best for them, but I disagree with same-sex marriage.

Atheist: No, it’s pretty clear you hate them. Look how you are arguing with me.

This is not a verbatim conversation. It is an outline of many conversations which Christians have had since 2008. There may have been different words, but the basics are always present: the reasons for opposing same-sex marriage are offered and ignored, hatred is attributed to the Christian as the sole/major reason for opposing same-sex marriage, the conversation dies.

Ergun Caner attributes hatred to people like James White and Turr8tin fan in a similar fashion. They listen to his old sermons and point out contradictions in his testimony. He could deal with them on that level, answering their claims, apologizing/repenting, etc. But instead of that he just calls them “haters” and excuses himself from the conversation. Think about it. Does calling someone a name or making up a false motive for them actually answer their argument? Clearly it doesn’t, all it does it shifts the focus from the issue at hand to the person bringing up the issue. And 99% of the time they are not motivated by hate.

But think about this. If you have ever called someone a “hater,” what if they actually hated whatever you were discussing. Is it logically impossible for someone who hates gay people to offer a good argument against same-sex marriage? Let me put it another way: Is it logically impossible for someone who hates math to offer a valid geometric proof? Same question, different object.

I mean, do you seriously tell a high school student who hates math, but studies hard anyways that he fails his test without even looking to see what he wrote down? If you don’t but you can still dismiss an argument from someone who may or may not legitimately hate homosexuals then you are inconsistent.

The principle here is simple: judge an argument by the merits of the argument itself, not the emotions (perceived or actual) of the person offering the argument.

Jul 29

An Arminian Presuppositionalist?

I’m watching this video of this guy who runs, among other websites, www.refutingcalvinism.com (which re-directs to a YouTube Channel). What is odd about this video is that he is teaching presuppositional apologetics (which is a distinctively Calvinistic apologetic). I’m about 1/4 of the way though and I though I would share it with you and ask for your thoughts. The guy’s name is Kerrigan Skelly, btw.

My thoughts are this:
1. Calvinism (and presuppositional apologetics) has a distinct understanding of man. Specific to the topic, man is under the noetic effects of sin, his mind and its processes are corrupted by the fall into sin (this would be part of the T, Total Depravity). Presuppositional apologetics consciously attempts to address man as such, pointing out the inconsistencies between how he lives and what he professes to believe. (Consistent) Arminians deny Total Depravity as taught by most Calvinists, usually granting that fallen and unregenerate man has some capacity to understand and accept the things of God completely and entirely on his own. I just heard of Mr Skelly so I’m not sure where he falls on this scale.

2. Presuppositional apologetics was pioneered by Calvinists. If you read anything by Cornelius Van Til you will have no doubt that he was true to the reformed faith as true could be. He taught at Westminster Seminary, headed their apologetics department, he constantly quoted Abraham Kuyper, Benjamin Warfield, Herman Bavinck, Louis Berkhof, Archibald Hodge, Charles Hodge, etc. And of course the Theologian himself, John Calvin. Van Til’s students Greg Bahnsen, John Frame, Rousas John Rushdoony, etc. How consistent can an Arminian be who attempts to utilize a distinctively Calvinistic apologetic? (Take this question as half polemic/half inquisitive)

I’ve never heard of Mr. Skelly before so any info would be cool if you know about him or his ministry (Pin Point Evangelism)

Jul 18

VIDEO: Josh McDowell in Dearborn

Ouch, who could Josh McDowell be referring to who got arrested in Dearborn but the Dearborn Four? If I might put in my two cents it would be as follows: Josh McDowell is a great apologist. His books The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, and Handbook of Today’s Religions are valuable resources which grace my bookshelf. This video itself was not that bad, hokey music, yeah, but passing out free literature (fictional novels?) is a good way to start off a conversation with a peaceable tone.

Of course Nabeel Qureshi also had a peaceable tone with the people he was talking to when he was arrested for shouting and gathering together a mob of people who were already angry at the weather (to borrow from Dearborn’s finest). So I am now confused. Both McDowell and Acts 17 apologists are Christians, both are there to witness, both talked in calm tones. Why rip on Acts 17 for getting arrested when they did what you did? If the police had been consistent in their anti-Christian bias they would have put you in handcuffs and carted you off to prison also.

The Christians brave enough to go to Arabic festivals need to band together. There are so few and there is strength in numbers. Am I right?

James White comments on Pros Apologian

Apr 28

Manti Pageant Outreach to Mormons, Manti, UT

Chip Thompson Witnessing in Manti, UT

I got this email from Chip Thompson regarding the Manti Pageant Outreach/speaker schedule:

MANTI PAGEANT SPEAKER SCHEDULE

This year, the Mormon Miracle Pageant nights are June 17-19 and 22-26. Every morning (when there is a pageant in the evening) all the Christians that attend the pageant outreach are invited to come together for worship, prayer and training. These meetings are a HUGE SOURCE OF ENCOURAGEMENT to each and every one that attends. The Ephraim Ministries have invited 8 special speakers (one each morning) to share their approach and witnessing techniques with the group.

If you are interested in leading Mormons to Christ, you will not find a more thorough LDS witnessing training opportunity anywhere else in the world. The Manti Pageant Outreach offers not only daily interactive training but also in the field witnessing opportunities every evening.

We are VERY EXCITED about this years training sessions, all of our speakers have a special love for LDS people and years of experience working with Mormons.

Following is our 2010 speaker schedule. Continue reading

Apr 17

Bibles ordered, on the way

I am pleased to announce that I have placed an order for bibles on Amazon.com for distribution in personal evangelism. I placed the order for 5 ESV paperbacks which include:

  • An introduction to each book
  • What the Bible is All Abou
  • How to Read the Bible
  • Where to Find Help When You Are…
  • What the Bible Says About…
  • Getting Started: A Forty-Day Bible-Reading Plan
  • God’s Plan to Save You
  • One-Year Bible-Reading Plan

Please pray for guidance as I interact with people. It is easy to pass out free books and I do not want to give these out indiscriminately. Evangelism is more than merely passing out literature, it is interaction with people over time.